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== Links ==

Just for the record, there are so many links in this timeline — for example, to both Norwegian and English versions of the same things — because eventually the plan is for some of the link targets to redirect to others. Once that is done, the "extra" links can be removed. I just haven't decided which targets should be considered the "canonical" ones. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] ([[User talk:Dcljr|talk]]) 16:14, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

== Format for dates and refs ==

See my latest edits here, in which I have standardized the formatting of recent additions (dates, refs, links to TT, etc.). I know it's hard to understand all the conventions I've been using, especially since my documentation of those conventions is anywhere from incomplete to nonexistent, but I hope that these followup edits will give sufficient clarification. In particular, please use "YYYY-MM-DD" format for dates, as much as possible (as much as "reasonable", anyway — I even use "YYYY-MM" for months without days, which is somewhat atypical). The thinking here is to minimize ambiguity (e.g., no "2/5/24", or similar), and to make linking easy and "automatable": see the documentation for {{tl|d}}, which creates links to entries in this timeline, and {{tl|du}}, for "unlinked" versions of dates that don't/won't correspond to entries here. Also, when a link to YT, TT, FB, etc., is used in a reference, please include the date you actually "|accessed=" the resource. The use of this parameter triggers (if I've implemented it yet) special "bibliographic" formatting of the link, suitable for refs. Thoughts about this are welcome. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] ([[User talk:Dcljr|talk]]) 02:27, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

== Gulljazz ==

Is [[Special:Diff/5153|this edit]] actually referring to the same concert I placed two days later, on 2016-07-09 (the "outdoor stage" event)? See also [[Special:Diff/5170|this edit of mine]]. I'm not sure I preserved your intended meaning. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] ([[User talk:Dcljr|talk]]) 03:13, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

: No, it's annother gig. I'll add YouTube links to the other performances, that will make it obvious. [[User:Most2dot0|Most2dot0]] ([[User talk:Most2dot0|talk]]) 16:27, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

== 2013-07-04 ==
: (discussing {{d|2013-07-04}})
it might a question of which time zone one is in, but to me it gets indicated that "Rolling in the Deep" was uploaded a day later, on 2013-07-05? - [[User:Most2dot0|Most2dot0]] ([[User talk:Most2dot0|talk]]) 21:18, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
: I coulda sworn everyone sees the same date on YT uploads, based on U.S. [[Pacific Time]]. (I am actually in U.S. Central Time. What TZ are you in?) I still see {{ytv|tJKeJQFZ-Gw|2013-07-04 on that video}}. Well, damn… - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] ([[User talk:Dcljr|talk]]) 07:10, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
:: I'm in CET/CEST (UTC+1/2), so same as Norway. BTW, that might then be a way to determine the hour of an upload (if that's ever needed), by changing the timezone when accessing it on YouTube. If it's like 1am, it's certainly valid to count it for the previous days, but it's later than 7am, likely not. So if you now see it in CST still at the 4th, it should have been uploaded before 6am, so I guess that could count as "same day".  - [[User:Most2dot0|Most2dot0]] ([[User talk:Most2dot0|talk]]) 07:34, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Hey! There it is in the HTML: <code>&lt;meta itemprop="datePublished" content="2013-07-04T15:04:36-07:00"&gt;&lt;meta itemprop="uploadDate" content="2013-07-04T15:04:36-07:00"&gt;</code>. I ''know'' that wasn't there the last time I checked for such a thing.  - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] ([[User talk:Dcljr|talk]]) 08:00, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
:::: I get the same date in the source. So does the "-07:00" at the end indicate that the date is given in UTC-7 (Pacific Summer Time), meaning it would be 9 hours plus in my timezone, i.e. "2013-07-05T00:04:36+2:00", or 4 to 5 minutes past midnight on the 5th? My own videos also have that -07:00 at the end, so it would be no indication in which timezone it was uploaded. Might be just Google's standard time... I ll upload a test video later the day to check if that assumption is correct. - [[User:Most2dot0|Most2dot0]] ([[User talk:Most2dot0|talk]]) 08:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
::::: Yes, U.S. Pacific Daylight Time, the time zone of YouTube's servers (nominally, at least). That's the time I thought everyone saw (PDT or PST), because in the past the date information has been "hardcoded" into the HTML (i.e., just plain text shown verbatim by the browser). Now it's being shown using a script, so that allows it to be seen differently by different people. On a related note, now I finally know exactly when {{ytv|r5GzS25fziY|this video}} was posted: "2014-02-06T17:19:36-08:00". As I suspected, this places it early in the morning (in Norway) on 2014-02-07, the date we had for her second-round NGT performance based on an article about Inna Marja (the girl in the red dress standing behind Angelina as she sings "I'm a Fool to Want You"). Only problem is, it places it '''way''' early in the morning. Far earlier than it should be, if it was actually recorded the morning of the performance. So, it must have been recorded the previous day (or even earlier)! - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] ([[User talk:Dcljr|talk]]) 09:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
:::::: The test video confirmes the assumptions. Also, considering older videos I uploaded, where the upload and publish (set to public) dates differed, it looks like both the "uploadDate" and "datePublished" properties always hold the same value. It is initally the upload date, and both get set forward once a video is set to "public". - [[User:Most2dot0|Most2dot0]] ([[User talk:Most2dot0|talk]]) 15:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

== 2014-07-04 ==
: (discussing {{d|2014-07-04}})
I think the indoor performance was instead on the evening of 2014-07-03, as indicated by : [https://www.facebook.com/angelinajordanofficial/photos/a.475478075918824/517533461713285/?type=3 this post on her Facebook page] - [[User:Most2dot0|Most2dot0]] ([[User talk:Most2dot0|talk]]) 21:42, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
: Ugh. Dates are so annoying. I guess the only reason I said 2014-07-04 was because of the info presented at [[Kongsberg Jazz Festival#2014]]. I can't remember. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] ([[User talk:Dcljr|talk]]) 07:50, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

== 2014-06-22 ==
: (discussing {{d|2014-06-22}})
I got an hint on a comment, that the performance was also on the 23rd, as it would have been aired live. I think the only thing that points to the 22nd, but those show her in different clothes, so they might have been from a the previous day?! - [[User:Most2dot0|Most2dot0]] ([[User talk:Most2dot0|talk]]) 17:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
: Got some more info, here is the full dialog: 
<blockquote>
@litharge-nu7lg
<br />&nbsp;@most2dot0  3. Angelina's performance was part of the celebrations of Midsummer's Eve and was broadcast live on the 23rd.

@most2dot0
<br />&nbsp;@litharge-nu7lg  thanks, fixed it. The 22nd was based on the date of an image showing her with TV2's program director, but that could have been taken a day earlier indeed, as she had further clothes on there compared to both the performance and the on-stage rehearsal. But I'm surprised that this event was on Monday then, as the actual Midsummer Eve was already on Saturday 21st, wasn't it? Is it such a big thing in Norway, that celebrations take days?

@litharge-nu7lg
<br />&nbsp;@most2dot0  No, the Sankthansaften is always on the same date, the 23rd. (This is contrasted with Sweden where the Midsommarafton is on a fixed day of the week (Friday), which was the 20th that year.)

@most2dot0
<br />&nbsp;@litharge-nu7lg  I see, thanks. So after doning a Google search, what I now understand that Sankt Hans Aften refers to the evening before John the Baptist day, and that somehow merrged with midsommer celebrations.
</blockquote>
: - [[User:Most2dot0|Most2dot0]] ([[User talk:Most2dot0|talk]]) 21:23, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

== 2025-04-05 ==
: (discussing {{d|2025-04-05}})
I think the 😇-smiley might be important to understand her height statement correctly: It's possibly an indication, that she is deliberately telling a slight inaccuracy. For example, it could be that that is the height given in her passport, which she uses to make her slightly smaller than she actually is. I believe some tall women do this. Several people that have encountered her estimate that she is at least 6', though others confirmed the 5'10''.
: Hmm… [[Special:Diff/8509|OK, fine]]. I had initially wanted to paraphrase mainly because I found the "(line break)" interpolations very awkward (not to mention using a double-quote character [representing "inches"] inside of double-quotes), and I didn't know that a {{htag|blockquote}} element could be used without screwing up the formatting. But it works fine. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] ([[User talk:Dcljr|talk]]) 16:07, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

== Loss of ToC ==

Now that the yearly content is shown in other articles (like [[1961]]), where not floating the calendars makes no sense (because they either don't have a right-floated ToC or any ToC at all), I have elected to (temporarily?) do away with the Table of Contents altogether. Once the "float the calendars differently in different skins" idea that we have discussed elsewhere is working, we can put the ToC back, if that seems like a good idea. If this offends you greatly, let me know and I will work on the floating thing with a little more urgency. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] ([[User talk:Dcljr|talk]]) 11:53, 9 September 2025 (UTC)
: I don't miss them, so take your time. They had also the issue, that the chapter numbers shown were close, but slightly off to the year covered, which let to many wrong clicks. --[[User:Most2dot0|Most2dot0]] ([[User talk:Most2dot0|talk]]) 12:00, 9 September 2025 (UTC)

== Timeline not being updated after year article edits ==

{{ping|dcljr}} I noticed that my latest updates to the [[2025#2025-12|2025]] article of December do not show up in the [[Timeline#2025-12|Timeline]], even after manualy purging, both with the "Purge" entry in Wiki tools, and the "Purge cache" entry on what I believe is part ot the Page tools, at the top of the page. --[[User:Most2dot0|Most2dot0]] ([[User talk:Most2dot0|talk]]) 13:33, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
: [[Special:Diff/12293|This was the problem.]] - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] ([[User talk:Dcljr|talk]]) 22:07, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
:: Ok, thanks, sorry, could have seen that myself... --[[User:Most2dot0|Most2dot0]] ([[User talk:Most2dot0|talk]]) 22:24, 23 December 2025 (UTC)