Talk:Timeline

Links

Just for the record, there are so many links in this timeline — for example, to both Norwegian and English versions of the same things — because eventually the plan is for some of the link targets to redirect to others. Once that is done, the "extra" links can be removed. I just haven't decided which targets should be considered the "canonical" ones. - dcljr (talk) 16:14, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Format for dates and refs

See my latest edits here, in which I have standardized the formatting of recent additions (dates, refs, links to TT, etc.). I know it's hard to understand all the conventions I've been using, especially since my documentation of those conventions is anywhere from incomplete to nonexistent, but I hope that these followup edits will give sufficient clarification. In particular, please use "YYYY-MM-DD" format for dates, as much as possible (as much as "reasonable", anyway — I even use "YYYY-MM" for months without days, which is somewhat atypical). The thinking here is to minimize ambiguity (e.g., no "2/5/24", or similar), and to make linking easy and "automatable": see the documentation for {{d}}, which creates links to entries in this timeline, and {{du}}, for "unlinked" versions of dates that don't/won't correspond to entries here. Also, when a link to YT, TT, FB, etc., is used in a reference, please include the date you actually "|accessed=" the resource. The use of this parameter triggers (if I've implemented it yet) special "bibliographic" formatting of the link, suitable for refs. Thoughts about this are welcome. - dcljr (talk) 02:27, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Gulljazz

Is this edit actually referring to the same concert I placed two days later, on 2016-07-09 (the "outdoor stage" event)? See also this edit of mine. I'm not sure I preserved your intended meaning. - dcljr (talk) 03:13, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

No, it's annother gig. I'll add YouTube links to the other performances, that will make it obvious. Most2dot0 (talk) 16:27, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

2013

2013-07

2013-07-04

it might a question of which time zone one is in, but to me it gets indicated that "Rolling in the Deep" was uploaded a day later, on 2013-07-05? - Most2dot0 (talk)

I coulda sworn everyone sees the same date on YT uploads, based on U.S. Pacific Time. (I am actually in U.S. Central Time. What TZ are you in?) I still see 2013-07-04 on that video^↗. Well, damn… - dcljr (talk) 07:10, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm in CET/CEST (UTC+1/2), so same as Norway. BTW, that might then be a way to determine the hour of an upload (if that's ever needed), by changing the timezone when accessing it on YouTube. If it's like 1am, it's certainly valid to count it for the previous days, but it's later than 7am, likely not. So if you now see it in CST still at the 4th, it should have been uploaded before 6am, so I guess that could count as "same day". - Most2dot0 (talk) 07:34, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey! There it is in the HTML: <meta itemprop="datePublished" content="2013-07-04T15:04:36-07:00"><meta itemprop="uploadDate" content="2013-07-04T15:04:36-07:00">. I know that wasn't there the last time I checked for such a thing. - dcljr (talk) 08:00, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I get the same date in the source. So does the "-07:00" at the end indicate that the date is given in UTC-7 (Pacific Summer Time), meaning it would be 9 hours plus in my timezone, i.e. "2013-07-05T00:04:36+2:00", or 4 to 5 minutes past midnight on the 5th? My own videos also have that -07:00 at the end, so it would be no indication in which timezone it was uploaded. Might be just Google's standard time... I ll upload a test video later the day to check if that assumption is correct. - Most2dot0 (talk) 08:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, U.S. Pacific Daylight Time, the time zone of YouTube's servers (nominally, at least). That's the time I thought everyone saw (PDT or PST), because in the past the date information has been "hardcoded" into the HTML (i.e., just plain text shown verbatim by the browser). Now it's being shown using a script, so that allows it to be seen differently by different people. On a related note, now I finally know exactly when this video^↗ was posted: "2014-02-06T17:19:36-08:00". As I suspected, this places it early in the morning (in Norway) on 2014-02-07, the date we had for her second-round NGT performance based on an article about Inna Marja (the girl in the red dress standing behind Angelina as she sings "I'm a Fool to Want You"). Only problem is, it places it way early in the morning. Far earlier than it should be, if it was actually recorded the morning of the performance. So, it must have been recorded the previous day (or even earlier)! - dcljr (talk) 09:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

2014

2014-07

2014-07-04

I think the indoor performance was instead on the evening of 2014-07-03, as indicated by : this post on her Facebook page - Most2dot0 (talk)

Ugh. Dates are so annoying. I guess the only reason I said 2014-07-04 was because of the info presented at Kongsberg Jazz Festival#2014. I can't remember. - dcljr (talk) 07:50, 9 April 2024 (UTC)