Talk:2017 Christmas tour

Guest Count

@dcljr, I assume the guest counts come form the interest on her Facebook event entries. However, I don't see that this is any true representation of the size of the audience, also as these indicate either "interest", "or I will come", and comes only from Facebook pages. Most2dot0 (talk) 13:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're right. As you can tell from the state of this page before you started editing it, I was just throwing a bunch of stuff together for future reference. Obviously, it was not intended to be any kind of acceptable "final" version of the page. [grin] - dcljr (talk) 05:51, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Tour data

As I identifed all 5 churches of the not offical announced concerts, it is clear that they took place, so it makes sense to integrate the tour data. However, I'd also say that I would not assume that the did a round travel around the locations near Oslo. I'd think it is as or even more likely, that they went back home overnight. Most2dot0 (talk) 13:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, the distance info was just to give a feel for the "size" of the tour. You (or I) can add a note about it likely not reflecting the actual distance she traveled. I never got around to actually researching the venues, although, as you can see, I provided links to do so. Thanks for doing that. That's very interesting about the "extra" 5 dates. I wonder why they weren't reflected in the "official" announcements, which would seem to be easier to update with correct info than published articles! Finally, did you keep track of how you verified each venue? Did you use any images from Wikimedia Commons (which this wiki can display "natively", as seen at Karpedammen)? Or could you add links to images/webpages you found elsewhere? (As I have indicated in the past, I am wary of uploading too many images here, especially if they are not freely licensed.) And finally: what's the meaning of the "Pos" column in the last table? I guess some aspects of the codes are pretty obvious, but I can't figure out the lowercase letters. (And is "D-b-9" a typo?) - dcljr (talk) 07:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

My guess is, that the first 5 locations were such small venues, that they were pretty much filled via local advertisements, maybe within the churches' own congregations. Maybe they considered these also as practice runs for the bigger venues, were they might get the first critical reviews, as the one for Stavanger, I quoted from. -Most2dot0 (talk) 18:38, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

The only picture reference from Mediawiki I was aware of were those from the Cosmopolite Oslo. There are actually pictures of that concert in there. For all other, I just did generic Google picture search, usually with with Norwegian name you had in the list. Most cases were quickly obivous, but in some, only certain videos/moments of a location make for a clear identification. For example, for the Skien church, the rehearsal videos are more revealing than those from the performance. In some backstage videos, there is only a short moment were e.g. a cam move shows the altarpiece. I now looked at searches for the first 5 ones again, and it turns out there are more Wikipedia images, though not necessarily the best for identification. -Most2dot0 (talk) 18:38, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

As for the "pos" parameter, in my performance database that is a field for ordering the songs at one occasion in the order performed. When I started to bring order into all videos, with captital letter identifiers for different venues (not yet identified at that time), I used the smaller ones to describe the view, I think "s" was "side" view, "b" backstage view, "f" for front view. I wasn't aware until very recently that e.g. the two different videos from the Strømsø church are actually from two different concerts, as I had thought earlier that one might have been from Mery, and one from Sara. I actually did not add these alternatives to the database yet, I guess i need to change the pos "code" for that... It probably also makes sense, to use the numerical pos values from the genric setlist for each title. And yes, "D-b-9" should have been "D-9-b". -Most2dot0 (talk) 18:53, 21 January 2025 (UTC)